Type
Knitting
Difficulty
beginner
Category
pullover
Pattern
<planning> 1. **Design Strategy**: - The user requests a "Babaa No. 17 sweater" inspired design. Babaa No. 17 is an iconic, very oversized, boxy drop-shoulder pullover with a wide boatneck, long body, long sleeves, and a chunky ribbed hem and cuffs. It's known for its generous positive ease (often 8-12" or more), slightly cropped-to-full length proportions, and simple, minimalist aesthetic. - Key characteristics of Babaa No. 17 aesthetic: very wide/oversized body, wide boatneck (approximately 40-45% of body width), 2x2 rib hem and cuffs (fairly deep, about 3-4"), long sleeves, body length is mid-hip, very boxy silhouette. - Template: Drop Shoulder Pullover (KN-PULL-007) - Difficulty: Beginner - Yarn Weight: Worsted - Style: Oversized, boxy, boatneck, drop shoulder - I'll design this for 5 sizes: XS/S, S/M, M/L, L/XL, XL/2XL based on finished bust measurements that reflect the oversized nature 2. **Construction Plan**: - Flat construction: Back and Front worked flat as rectangles - Bottom-up: Cast on, work 2x2 rib for hem, work stockinette body to shoulder - Join shoulders with 3-needle bind-off (leaving center open for wide boatneck) - Sleeves: Pick up stitches along armhole edge, work flat (or in the round) down to cuff, end with 2x2 rib - Seam sides - Worsted weight: gauge approximately 18 sts / 24 rows = 4 inches (10 cm) in stockinette on US 9 / 5.5mm needles (standard worsted gauge, slightly relaxed for the oversized nature) 3. **Quality Assurance**: - Babaa No. 17 is known for extreme ease. Standard Babaa No. 17 fits bodies 30-48" bust with one or two sizes, giving 10-16" ease. I'll offer 5 proper sizes but keep the generous ease philosophy. - Need to ensure boatneck width is sufficiently wide (about 40% of body width minimum) - Shoulder width should be relatively narrow (leaving much of the sleeve as drop) - Need to verify: stitch counts for body, shoulder seam counts, neck opening, sleeve pickup counts - 2x2 rib requires stitch counts divisible by 4 (or at least by 2, with consideration for seaming) - For flat knitting and seaming: edge stitches (selvedge) should be accounted for. I'll include 1 selvedge stitch each side, so working stitches are main count. - Sleeve pickup: the armhole depth (from shoulder seam to underarm) is the depth of the drop. For a very oversized drop-shoulder, armhole depth is typically 8-10" for the oversized sizes. 4. **Final Calculations**: **Gauge**: 18 sts / 24 rows = 4" (10 cm) in stockinette on US 9 / 5.5mm needles - So: 4.5 sts per inch, 6 rows per inch **Sizing Philosophy** (Babaa-inspired, finished garment measurements, very oversized): The Babaa No. 17 is designed to be extremely oversized. I'll size by finished garment measurements with recommended body measurements to achieve that look. Let me define sizes by FINISHED BUST measurement (the garment is meant to be very large): | Size | Finished Bust | Recommended for body bust | |------|--------------|--------------------------| | 1 (XS/S) | 42" | 28-32" bust | | 2 (S/M) | 46" | 32-36" bust | | 3 (M/L) | 50" | 36-40" bust | | 4 (L/XL) | 54" | 40-44" bust | | 5 (XL/2XL) | 58" | 44-48" bust | **Body Width** (half of finished bust, this is the width of ONE piece - front or back): - Size 1: 42"/2 = 21" - Size 2: 46"/2 = 23" - Size 3: 50"/2 = 25" - Size 4: 54"/2 = 27" - Size 5: 58"/2 = 29" **Stitch counts for body** (at 4.5 sts/inch, including 1 selvedge each side = +2 sts): - Size 1: 21" ร 4.5 = 94.5 โ 94 sts + 2 selvedge = 96 sts. Check 2x2 rib: 94 working sts... 94/4 = 23.5, not divisible by 4. Let me try 96 working sts (96/4 = 24 โ) + 2 selvedge = 98 sts total. Width = 96/4.5 = 21.3" โ 21.25" โ - Size 2: 23" ร 4.5 = 103.5 โ try 104 working sts (104/4 = 26 โ) + 2 = 106 sts. Width = 104/4.5 = 23.1" โ - Size 3: 25" ร 4.5 = 112.5 โ try 112 working sts (112/4 = 28 โ) + 2 = 114 sts. Width = 112/4.5 = 24.9" โ - Size 4: 27" ร 4.5 = 121.5 โ try 120 working sts (120/4 = 30 โ) + 2 = 122 sts. Width = 120/4.5 = 26.7" โ - Size 5: 29" ร 4.5 = 130.5 โ try 132 working sts (132/4 = 33... 132/4 = 33 โ) + 2 = 134 sts. Width = 132/4.5 = 29.3" โ Let me re-examine. Working stitches divisible by 4 for 2x2 rib: - S1: 96 working + 2 sel = 98 CO sts โ width = 96/4.5 = 21.33" - S2: 104 working + 2 sel = 106 CO sts โ width = 104/4.5 = 23.11" - S3: 112 working + 2 sel = 114 CO sts โ width = 112/4.5 = 24.89" - S4: 120 working + 2 sel = 122 CO sts โ width = 120/4.5 = 26.67" - S5: 132 working + 2 sel = 134 CO sts โ width = 132/4.5 = 29.33" These are close enough and give finished busts of: - S1: 21.33 ร 2 = 42.67" โ 43" โ - S2: 23.11 ร 2 = 46.22" โ 46" โ - S3: 24.89 ร 2 = 49.78" โ 50" โ - S4: 26.67 ร 2 = 53.33" โ 53" โ - S5: 29.33 ร 2 = 58.67" โ 59" โ Good. Let me slightly adjust S4 to use 124 working sts? 124/4 = 31 โ โ 124/4.5 = 27.56" โ bust = 55.1". Hmm, let me keep 120 for S4 (26.67" half = 53.3" bust) and maybe adjust the sizing description. Actually, let me reconsider and simplify. Let me round to target finished measurements more cleanly. Let me target: - S1: 42" finished bust โ 21" half โ 94 working sts (94/4.5 = 20.89") โ but 94/4 = 23.5 (not div by 4). Try 92: 92/4 = 23 โ, 92/4.5 = 20.44" โ 40.89" bust. Or 96: 96/4.5 = 21.33" โ 42.67". I'll go with 96+2=98. - S2: 46" finished โ 23" half โ 104+2=106: 104/4.5 = 23.11" โ 46.2" โ - S3: 50" finished โ 25" half โ 112+2=114: 112/4.5 = 24.9" โ 49.8" โ - S4: 54" finished โ 27" half โ 120+2=122: 120/4.5 = 26.67" โ 53.3". Alternatively 124+2=126: 124/4.5 = 27.56" โ 55.1". Let me use 120 and call it 53" finished. - S5: 58" finished โ 29" half โ 132+2=134: 132/4.5 = 29.33" โ 58.7" โ I'll go with these and adjust the size descriptions accordingly. **CO stitch counts summary**: | Size | CO sts | Working sts | Half-width | Finished Bust | |------|--------|-------------|------------|---------------| | 1 | 98 | 96 | 21.3" | 42.7" โ 43" | | 2 | 106 | 104 | 23.1" | 46.2" โ 46" | | 3 | 114 | 112 | 24.9" | 49.8" โ 50" | | 4 | 122 | 120 | 26.7" | 53.3" โ 53" | | 5 | 134 | 132 | 29.3" | 58.7" โ 59" | **Body Length** (Babaa No.17 hits mid-hip, generous): I'll target approximately 25-26" total body length for most sizes, with slight adjustments. - Hem rib: 3.5" (let me calculate rows: 3.5" ร 6 rows/inch = 21 rows, round to 22 rows) - Body in stockinette: varies by size Actually, let me think about body lengths: - Babaa No. 17 tends to be longer. Let me set total body length as: - S1: 24" - S2: 25" - S3: 25" - S4: 26" - S5: 26" Rib: 3.5" for all sizes. Stockinette portion = total - rib: - S1: 24 - 3.5 = 20.5" โ 20.5 ร 6 = 123 rows - S2: 25 - 3.5 = 21.5" โ 21.5 ร 6 = 129 rows - S3: 25 - 3.5 = 21.5" โ 129 rows - S4: 26 - 3.5 = 22.5" โ 22.5 ร 6 = 135 rows - S5: 26 - 3.5 = 22.5" โ 135 rows Rib rows: 3.5" ร 6 = 21 rows โ round to 20 rows (for even rows, making it easier to work back and forth, ending on WS) Let me simplify: for easier knitting, I'll specify rib in inches rather than exact rows. **Armhole Depth / Sleeve Length from Shoulder**: For the Babaa drop-shoulder look, the armhole depth is quite deep - the seam falls well down the upper arm. Typically: - S1: 9" armhole depth - S2: 9.5" - S3: 10" - S4: 10.5" - S5: 11" This means the total body height = body length (to shoulder bind-off). The armhole is measured from the shoulder seam down. Since there's no shaping, the body is just worked straight. The armhole depth is just how far down we measure for sleeve pickup. **Shoulder Width** (for 3-needle bind-off / seaming): Babaa No. 17 has a VERY wide neck. The boatneck typically spans about 50-55% of the body width. So shoulder seam on each side is about 22-25% of body width. Let me calculate neck opening width (in stitches) and shoulder stitches: - Neck = approximately 50% of working sts - Each shoulder = approximately 25% of working sts | Size | Working sts | Neck sts (50%) | Each shoulder sts (25%) | |------|-------------|----------------|------------------------| | 1 | 96 | 48 | 24 | | 2 | 104 | 52 | 26 | | 3 | 112 | 56 | 28 | | 4 | 120 | 60 | 30 | | 5 | 132 | 66 | 33 | Check: 24+48+24 = 96 โ, 26+52+26 = 104 โ, 28+56+28 = 112 โ, 30+60+30 = 120 โ, 33+66+33 = 132 โ Neck widths in inches: - S1: 48/4.5 = 10.67" โ 10.75" - S2: 52/4.5 = 11.56" โ 11.5" - S3: 56/4.5 = 12.44" โ 12.5" - S4: 60/4.5 = 13.33" โ 13.25" - S5: 66/4.5 = 14.67" โ 14.75" These are wide, boatneck widths - very characteristic of Babaa No. 17. โ Shoulder widths in inches: - S1: 24/4.5 = 5.33" โ 5.25" - S2: 26/4.5 = 5.78" โ 5.75" - S3: 28/4.5 = 6.22" โ 6.25" - S4: 30/4.5 = 6.67" โ 6.75" - S5: 33/4.5 = 7.33" โ 7.25" **Sleeves**: Sleeve stitches are picked up along the armhole edge. Since the body has straight sides with no shaping: - Armhole depth rows (each side, so we pick up on both front AND back sides for sleeve width): - S1: 9" ร 6 rows/inch = 54 rows โ but we pick up from BOTH front and back, so total pickup edge = armhole depth ร 2 sides... Wait. Let me rethink the sleeve pickup for drop shoulder. For a drop shoulder, the sleeve is picked up from the side edge of the body. The total pickup length = armhole depth ร 2 (front + back). The sleeve begins at the shoulder seam, and stitches are picked up along the straight side edge going down on both sides. Actually wait - in most drop shoulder constructions, you pick up stitches across the combined armhole opening. The armhole opening at the top of the body (after seaming shoulders) = armhole depth going down the front body + armhole depth going down the back body. Since front and back are identical in depth (they're the same fabric), the total opening = 2 ร armhole depth. But actually in Babaa style, the sleeve is often knit separately and seamed. Let me reconsider construction. For the SLEEVE stitches at the top (the sleeve cap width, which for drop shoulder is just a straight bind-off): Sleeve top width = armhole depth ร 2 - S1: 9" ร 2 = 18" โ 18" ร 4.5 sts/inch = 81 sts โ round to 80 sts (div by 4 for 2x2 rib) - S2: 9.5" ร 2 = 19" โ 19 ร 4.5 = 85.5 โ 84 sts - S3: 10" ร 2 = 20" โ 20 ร 4.5 = 90 โ 88 sts (88/4 = 22 โ) - S4: 10.5" ร 2 = 21" โ 21 ร 4.5 = 94.5 โ 96 sts (96/4 = 24 โ) - S5: 11" ร 2 = 22" โ 22 ร 4.5 = 99 โ 100 sts (100/4 = 25 โ) ... 100/4=25 โ Wait: 80/4=20 โ, 84/4=21 โ, 88/4=22 โ, 96/4=24 โ, 100/4=25 โ. Good. Actual sleeve top widths in inches: - S1: 80/4.5 = 17.78" โ 18" - S2: 84/4.5 = 18.67" โ 18.75" - S3: 88/4.5 = 19.56" โ 19.5" - S4: 96/4.5 = 21.33" โ 21.25" - S5: 100/4.5 = 22.22" โ 22.25" Now for pickup rate: when picking up stitches along stockinette rows (vertical edge), the standard rate is approximately 3 stitches for every 4 rows. Pickup stitches needed at sleeve top: - S1: 80 sts from armhole depth of 9" on each side (front + back) - Each side: 9" ร 6 rows/inch = 54 rows - Total rows available = 54 (front) + 54 (back) = 108 rows - Pickup rate: 80 sts from 108 rows = 80/108 = 0.74 sts/row โ pick up 3 sts every 4 rows โ (3/4 = 0.75, very close) - S2: 84 sts from 2 ร (9.5 ร 6) = 2 ร 57 = 114 rows - 84/114 = 0.737 โ 3 per 4 rows โ - S3: 88 sts from 2 ร (10 ร 6) = 120 rows - 88/120 = 0.733 โ 3 per 4 rows โ - S4: 96 sts from 2 ร (10.5 ร 6) = 126 rows - 96/126 = 0.762 โ 3 per 4 rows โ - S5: 100 sts from 2 ร (11 ร 6) = 132 rows - 100/132 = 0.758 โ 3 per 4 rows โ All sizes use approximately 3 sts per 4 rows pickup rate. โ **Sleeve Length** and shaping: Babaa No. 17 has long sleeves with minimal taper. The sleeve tapers from the wide top to a narrower cuff. Sleeve length from underarm to cuff = approx 17-18" depending on size (long sleeve). Cuff width: - 2x2 rib cuff, fairly snug - Cuff sts: around 40-48 sts (8.9" - 10.7" circumference) Let me define: - S1 cuff: 40 sts (40/4.5 = 8.89") - S2 cuff: 44 sts (44/4.5 = 9.78") - S3 cuff: 44 sts - S4 cuff: 48 sts (48/4.5 = 10.67") - S5 cuff: 48 sts All divisible by 4 โ For working in the round (picking up and working in the round for sleeves): - I'll offer the option to work in the round since that's cleaner for sleeves. - For in-the-round, I need to add the selvedge note adjustment. Actually, when picking up in the round, no selvedge needed. Sleeve decrease from top to cuff: - S1: from 80 to 40 = decrease 40 sts (20 decrease rounds, each removing 2 sts) - Sleeve length: 17" total, minus 3" rib = 14" of decrease section - 14" ร 6 rounds/inch = 84 rounds - Decrease every 84/20 = 4.2 rounds โ every 4 rounds (this will slightly not reach exact cuff count) - Actually: 20 decrease events ร every 4 rounds = 80 rounds = 13.33" - After decreases: work straight to 14" if needed, then work cuff. Fine. - S2: 84 to 44 = decrease 40 sts (20 decrease rounds) - 17.5" total, minus 3" rib = 14.5" โ 87 rounds - Every 87/20 = 4.35 โ every 4 rounds โ 20 ร 4 = 80 rounds = 13.33", then a few straight rounds โ - S3: 88 to 44 = decrease 44 sts (22 decrease rounds) - 17.5" total, minus 3" rib = 14.5" โ 87 rounds - Every 87/22 = 3.95 โ every 4 rounds โ 22 ร 4 = 88 rounds = 14.67" > 14.5"... slightly over. Try every 4 rounds for 20 decreases, then every 3 rounds for 2 decreases: (20ร4)+(2ร3) = 80+6 = 86 rounds = 14.33" โ - Or just say "every 4 rounds, 22 times" and note the sleeve length might be very slightly longer. - Actually let me just simplify the sleeve lengths a bit. Let me step back and be more practical about sleeve instructions. I'll give the instructions more simply: For the pattern, I'll instruct: 1. Pick up sleeve stitches 2. Place marker, join to work in the round (or work flat and seam) 3. Dec round: k1, ssk, k to 3 sts before marker, k2tog, k1 4. Work dec round every X rounds until Y sts remain 5. Work even to sleeve length minus cuff 6. Work cuff rib 7. Bind off Let me calculate decrease rates for each size cleanly: | Size | Top sts | Cuff sts | Sts to dec | Dec events | Sleeve length | Rib | Working length | |------|---------|----------|-----------|------------|---------------|-----|----------------| | 1 | 80 | 40 | 40 | 20 | 17" | 3" | 14" | | 2 | 84 | 44 | 40 | 20 | 17.5" | 3" | 14.5" | | 3 | 88 | 44 | 44 | 22 | 18" | 3" | 15" | | 4 | 96 | 48 | 48 | 24 | 18" | 3" | 15" | | 5 | 100 | 48 | 52 | 26 | 18.5" | 3" | 15.5" | Working length in rounds (at 6 rds/inch): | Size | Working length | Total rounds | Dec events | Approx every X rounds | |------|----------------|--------------|------------|----------------------| | 1 | 14" | 84 | 20 | 84/20 = 4.2 โ every 4 rds | | 2 | 14.5" | 87 | 20 | 87/20 = 4.35 โ every 4 rds | | 3 | 15" | 90 | 22 | 90/22 = 4.09 โ every 4 rds | | 4 | 15" | 90 | 24 | 90/24 = 3.75 โ every 4 rds | | 5 | 15.5" | 93 | 26 | 93/26 = 3.57 โ every 4 rds | For simplicity, I'll recommend "decrease every 4 rounds" for all sizes, noting that some slight adjustments may be needed. After all decreases, work even if needed. Let me verify end counts: - S1: 80 - (20 ร 2) = 80 - 40 = 40 โ - S2: 84 - (20 ร 2) = 84 - 40 = 44 โ - S3: 88 - (22 ร 2) = 88 - 44 = 44 โ - S4: 96 - (24 ร 2) = 96 - 48 = 48 โ - S5: 100 - (26 ร 2) = 100 - 52 = 48 โ All check out. โ Now let me compile the finished measurements table: **Finished Measurements**: | Measurement | Size 1 | Size 2 | Size 3 | Size 4 | Size 5 | |-------------|--------|--------|--------|--------|--------| | Finished Bust | 42.75" | 46.25" | 49.75" | 53.25" | 58.75" | | Body Length | 24" | 25" | 25" | 26" | 26" | | Armhole Depth | 9" | 9.5" | 10" | 10.5" | 11" | | Shoulder Width | 5.25" | 5.75" | 6.25" | 6.75" | 7.25" | | Neck Width | 10.75" | 11.5" | 12.5" | 13.25" | 14.75" | | Sleeve Length | 17" | 17.5" | 18" | 18" | 18.5" | | Upper Sleeve Width | 17.75" | 18.75" | 19.5" | 21.25" | 22.25" | | Cuff Width | 8.75" | 9.75" | 9.75" | 10.75" | 10.75" | Actually let me recalculate finished bust more precisely: - S1: working sts = 96, width = 96/4.5 = 21.33", bust = 42.67" - S2: 104/4.5 = 23.11", bust = 46.22" - S3: 112/4.5 = 24.89", bust = 49.78" - S4: 120/4.5 = 26.67", bust = 53.33" - S5: 132/4.5 = 29.33", bust = 58.67" I'll round these in the pattern to clean fractions. Let me also think about the recommended body sizes for each garment size: The Babaa No. 17 is VERY oversized - typically you'd add 10-14" ease. So: - Size 1 (43" finished): for body bust 28-34" - Size 2 (46" finished): for body bust 32-36" - Size 3 (50" finished): for body bust 36-40" - Size 4 (53" finished): for body bust 40-44" - Size 5 (59" finished): for body bust 44-48" There's some overlap which is fine - it depends on how much ease the knitter prefers. **Needle sizes needed**: - Main needle: US 9 / 5.5mm (for stockinette body) - Rib needle: US 8 / 5.0mm (one size smaller for rib) - Also US 9 circular for sleeve pickup **Yarn requirements**: Worsted weight, approximately 200 yards per 100g skein. Let me estimate yardage: Body stitches per row: - Average body CO across sizes โ 110 working sts - One row of stockinette โ 110 sts ร some amount of yarn Actually let me estimate more carefully using a simple formula: Approximate yardage = (sts ร rows) / (gauge sts ร some factor) A simpler way: At worsted gauge, a sweater typically needs: - S1 (size XS/S equivalent sweater): ~900-1100 yards - S2: ~1000-1200 yards - S3: ~1100-1300 yards - S4: ~1200-1500 yards - S5: ~1400-1700 yards But since these are very oversized, I should add 20-30% more. Let me calculate more precisely: - For a rectangle body (front + back): - S1: 98 sts (CO) ร body length 24" ร 6 rows/inch = 98 ร 144 rows = 14,112 st-rows - Adjust for worsted: approximately 14,112 / (18 ร 24) ร 220 (typical yards per 100g worsted) รท 100 ... this is getting complicated. Let me use a practical approximation: - Worsted weight: approximately 5 yards per square inch of stockinette for worsted (rough estimate) - Total fabric area for each size: Body (front + back combined): - S1: 2 ร (21.33" width ร 24" length) = 2 ร 512 = 1024 sq inches - Sleeves (2 sleeves, trapezoid): average width ร length ร 2 - Average sleeve width S1: (18 + 8.89)/2 = 13.44" ร 2 sleeves ร 17" = 457 sq inches - Total S1: 1024 + 457 = 1481 sq in ร 0.9 sts per sq in โ hmm this formula isn't quite right. Let me just use standard industry estimates adjusted for oversized: A worsted weight sweater at "regular" size uses roughly 1000-1400 yards. These are much larger than regular. I'll use practical estimates: | Size | Yards | Skeins (200 yds) | Skeins (220 yds) | |------|-------|------------------|------------------| | 1 | 1100-1300 | 6-7 | 5-6 | | 2 | 1200-1400 | 6-7 | 6-7 | | 3 | 1400-1600 | 7-8 | 7-8 | | 4 | 1600-1800 | 8-9 | 8-9 | | 5 | 1800-2100 | 9-11 | 9-10 | I'll give yardage ranges and suggest buying an extra skein for safety. These are big sweaters! Actually, let me try to do a better calculation: For each piece, calculate sts ร rows: Front/Back: - S1: 96 working sts ร (24" ร 6 r/in) = 96 ร 144 = 13,824 per piece - Two pieces: 27,648 st-rows - Each sleeve: - Top: 80 sts, bottom: 40 sts, length: 17" ร 6 = 102 rows - Average: 60 sts per row ร 102 rows = 6,120 st-rows - Two sleeves: 12,240 st-rows - Total S1: 27,648 + 12,240 = 39,888 st-rows - At 18 sts per 4 inches = 4.5 sts/inch, each st-row is approximately 1/4.5 = 0.222 inches of yarn... actually this doesn't work easily. A much better method: Use standard published yardage estimates for worsted drop shoulder sweaters of this scale. For a very oversized worsted sweater: - S1 (43" bust, 24" length): approximately 1,250 yards - S2 (46" bust, 25" length): approximately 1,400 yards - S3 (50" bust, 25" length): approximately 1,550 yards - S4 (53" bust, 26" length): approximately 1,700 yards - S5 (59" bust, 26" length): approximately 1,950 yards Skeins at 200 yards: - S1: 7 skeins (1,400 yards available) - S2: 7 skeins (1,400 yards) ... actually 1,400 < 1,400, might need 8 Let me round up: - S1: 7 skeins (1,400 yards) - S2: 8 skeins (1,600 yards) - S3: 8 skeins (1,600 yards) - S4: 9 skeins (1,800 yards) - S5: 10 skeins (2,000 yards) These are conservative (rounded up), which is appropriate. Always better to have too much yarn. Now I have all the pieces. Let me formalize the pattern. **Summary of Key Numbers**: | | S1 | S2 | S3 | S4 | S5 | |-|----|----|----|----|----| | CO (Front/Back) | 98 | 106 | 114 | 122 | 134 | | Working sts | 96 | 104 | 112 | 120 | 132 | | Neck sts (BO) | 48 | 52 | 56 | 60 | 66 | | Each shoulder sts | 24 | 26 | 28 | 30 | 33 | | Body length | 24" | 25" | 25" | 26" | 26" | | Armhole depth | 9" | 9.5" | 10" | 10.5" | 11" | | Sleeve pickup sts | 80 | 84 | 88 | 96 | 100 | | Cuff sts | 40 | 44 | 44 | 48 | 48 | | Dec events | 20 | 20 | 22 | 24 | 26 | | Sleeve length | 17" | 17.5" | 18" | 18" | 18.5" | Let me double-check shoulder stitch counts: - S1: 24 + 48 + 24 = 96 โ - S2: 26 + 52 + 26 = 104 โ - S3: 28 + 56 + 28 = 112 โ - S4: 30 + 60 + 30 = 120 โ - S5: 33 + 66 + 33 = 132 โ All correct. For the actual hem rib stitch count: CO stitches include 2 selvedge stitches (1 each end). The working stitches = CO - 2. For rib to work, the working stitches must be divisible by 4: - S1: 96/4 = 24 โ - S2: 104/4 = 26 โ - S3: 112/4 = 28 โ - S4: 120/4 = 30 โ - S5: 132/4 = 33 โ Wait, 132/4 = 33? Yes. So 2x2 rib works: k2, p2 pattern repeating. 132 = 33 ร 4 โ. For the rib row with selvedge stitches: Row 1 (RS): k1 (selvedge), [k2, p2] to last st, k1 (selvedge) Row 2 (WS): p1 (selvedge), [p2, k2] to last st, p1 (selvedge) Actually with 96 working stitches + 2 selvedge: - The selvedge sts are outside the rib pattern - Row 1 (RS): sl1 wyif (or k1), [k2, p2] 24 times, k1(sl1) - that would be 1+96+1 = 98 sts โ - The rib pattern is 96 sts = 24 repeats of k2,p2 โ OK I think I have everything I need. Let me now write up the full pattern. One more thing - I need to decide: work sleeves in the round (picked up) or flat with seam? For beginners, I'll offer the sleeve-in-the-round option with pickup, and mention the flat option as an alternative. This avoids grafting and gives a cleaner finish. When picking up sleeves in the round after body is assembled: - After joining shoulders (3-needle BO or seam), the armhole opening is a long oval shape. - Wait - for drop shoulder, the armhole opening is just a straight vertical slit - there's no shaped armhole hole. The "armhole" is just the area of the body that will be covered by the sleeve. For pickup: after seaming shoulder seams (leaving the center neck open), the side edges of the body are still OPEN (we haven't seamed the sides yet). Actually - for the construction: Option A (my preferred for this pattern): 1. Knit Front and Back pieces 2. Join shoulder seams (3-needle BO or seam), leaving neck center open 3. With RS facing, pick up stitches along the body edge: - Starting at the shoulder seam, pick up down the back body for armhole depth, then up the front body for armhole depth - Join to work in the round 4. Work sleeve down to cuff 5. After both sleeves are done, seam side seams (body + sleeve in one seam) This construction is common and beginner-friendly (no side seams until the end, sleeves are worked in the round which many prefer). Armhole marker placement: when picking up for sleeves, I'll instruct knitters to measure and mark the armhole depth on the body first. Pickup details: - Mark armhole depth on each side of body (from shoulder seam, measure down): - S1: 9" down from shoulder seam - S2: 9.5" down - etc. - Place marker/pin at this point on front AND back - Pick up stitches from marker on back, up to shoulder seam, then from shoulder seam down to marker on front - This gives: ~half of sleeve sts from back + ~half from front Let me verify pickup count again: - S1: armhole depth 9" on each side, pickup 3 sts per 4 rows - 9" ร 6 rows/inch = 54 rows per side - Sts per side: 54 ร 3/4 = 40.5 โ 40 sts per side - Total: 40 ร 2 = 80 sts โ (matches our sleeve top count) - S2: 9.5" ร 6 = 57 rows per side ร 3/4 = 42.75 โ 42 per side โ 84 total โ - S3: 10" ร 6 = 60 rows per side ร 3/4 = 45 per side โ 90 total... but I wanted 88 sts! - Hmm. Let me reconsider. - 88/2 = 44 per side. 44 sts from 60 rows = 44/60 = 0.733 rate, slightly less than 3/4 (0.75) - Actually this is fine in practice - pickup rates are approximate. I can say "pick up approximately 44 sts per side (88 total)" rather than giving a formula. - S4: 10.5" ร 6 = 63 rows per side ร 3/4 = 47.25 โ 48 per side โ 96 total โ - S5: 11" ร 6 = 66 rows per side ร 3/4 = 49.5 โ 50 per side โ 100 total โ For S3: 44 per side (88 total). The "3 per 4 rows" would give 45 per side (90 total), but I want 88. So I'll instruct to pick up approximately 44 stitches per side, being slightly less than the 3/4 rate. In practice this is perfectly normal and the instructions will just say the total count. Actually, I realize I should reconsider S3's sleeve count slightly: If we pick up 90 sts (3/4 rate from 60 rows per side), that's 90/4.5 = 20" total sleeve width. Should be fine. Let me revise: - S3: pick up 90 sts total (45 per side) โ 90/4.5 = 20" sleeve width โ works โ - Then decrease from 90 to 44: need to decrease 46 sts... 46/2 = 23 decrease events - S3 revised: 90 sts top, 44 sts cuff, 23 decrease events, every 4 rounds for 15" working length (90 rounds โ 23 ร 4 = 92 rounds = 15.33") - close enough. Hmm, this is getting complicated. Let me simplify by keeping everything cleaner. Let me revise sleeve top counts to ensure they work cleanly with the pickup rate: For 3-per-4-rows pickup: | Size | Armhole depth | Rows per side | 3/4 rate sts/side | Total sts | |------|--------------|---------------|-------------------|-----------| | 1 | 9" | 54 | 40.5 โ 40 | 80 | | 2 | 9.5" | 57 | 42.75 โ 43 | 86 | | 3 | 10" | 60 | 45 | 90 | | 4 | 10.5" | 63 | 47.25 โ 47 | 94 | | 5 | 11" | 66 | 49.5 โ 50 | 100 | But these need to be divisible by 4 for 2x2 rib (for the cuff), and ideally even for symmetric decreasing. Check: - S1: 80 โ div by 4 - S2: 86 โ not div by 4. 84 (42 per side, pickup 42 from 57 rows = 0.737) or 88 (44 per side = 0.772)? Let me use 84 (close to 3/4). - S3: 90 โ not div by 4. 88 (44 per side) or 92 (46 per side)? 88 seems better (44/60 = 0.733). - S4: 94 โ not div by 4. 96 (48 per side = 48/63 = 0.762) or 92 (46 per side = 0.730)? 96 works. - S5: 100 โ div by 4 Revised table: | Size | Sleeve top sts | Pick up per side | |------|---------------|-----------------| | 1 | 80 | 40 | | 2 | 84 | 42 | | 3 | 88 | 44 | | 4 | 96 | 48 | | 5 | 100 | 50 | Now decrease counts: - S1: 80 โ 40 = 40 to decrease, 20 decrease events - S2: 84 โ 44 = 40 to decrease, 20 decrease events - S3: 88 โ 44 = 44 to decrease, 22 decrease events - S4: 96 โ 48 = 48 to decrease, 24 decrease events - S5: 100 โ 48 = 52 to decrease, 26 decrease events All look good. I'll stick with decreasing every 4 rounds for all sizes. Working lengths after pickup until cuff: (Sleeve length - rib length = working length for decrease section + any straight) - S1: 17" - 3" = 14" ร 6 = 84 rounds. Dec every 4: 20 ร 4 = 80 rounds = 13.33", then 4 rounds even = 14" โ - S2: 17.5" - 3" = 14.5" ร 6 = 87 rounds. Dec every 4: 20 ร 4 = 80 rounds = 13.33", then 7 rounds even โ 14.5" โ - S3: 18" - 3" = 15" ร 6 = 90 rounds. Dec every 4: 22 ร 4 = 88 rounds = 14.67", then 2 rounds even โ 15" โ - S4: 18" - 3" = 15" ร 6 = 90 rounds. Dec every 4: 24 ร 4 = 96 rounds = 16" > 15"! Problem with S4. Let me recalculate: - S4: 96 to 48 = 24 decrease events. Sleeve 18" total, rib 3", working = 15" = 90 rounds. - 90 rounds / 24 dec events = 3.75 rounds per event โ every 4 rounds would be 24 ร 4 = 96 rounds = 16" which is too long (we only have 15" of working length). - Option 1: Decrease every 3 rounds: 24 ร 3 = 72 rounds = 12", then work 18 rounds even (3") before cuff. This works but creates bunchy looking sleeve at cuff. - Option 2: Decrease every 3.5 rounds: alternate every 3 and every 4 rounds. - Option 3: Make sleeve slightly longer: 18.5" total, 15.5" working = 93 rounds โ 93/24 = 3.875 โ close to every 4 rounds (4 ร 24 = 96 slightly over). Alternatively every 4 rounds for 20 decs then every 3 rounds for 4 decs: (20ร4)+(4ร3) = 80+12 = 92 rounds = 15.3" โ I'll use Option 3 style: "Decrease every 4 rounds, X times, then every 3 rounds, Y times" for sizes that need it. Actually, for beginner simplicity, let me just say "decrease every 4 (3) rounds" and give exact instructions per size. But this might be confusing for beginners. Alternative approach: For all sizes, just say "decrease every 4 rounds until X stitches remain" and if more rows are needed, work even until length is reached. This is the most beginner-friendly approach, even if the decreases finish a bit early and then some rows are worked straight. - S4: Dec every 4 rounds, 24 times = 96 rounds. That would be 16" total decrease section, but sleeve working length is only 15". So decrease section would be slightly longer than sleeve... that means the sleeve would end up 16" + 3" rib = 19" total, slightly longer than desired 18". Actually this is borderline fine - we could just extend S4 sleeve to 19" or adjust. Better: Let me reduce the number of cuff stitches to reduce the number of decreases needed, or increase the sleeve length for larger sizes. Let me try S4 with cuff sts = 52 (still div by 4, 52/4=13 โ): - 96 to 52 = 44 to dec, 22 dec events ร 4 rds = 88 rounds = 14.67" working length, sleeve = 14.67 + 3 = 17.67" โ 18" โ Hmm but 52 sts cuff = 52/4.5 = 11.56" circumference. That seems a bit wide for a cuff. Let me try a different sleeve length for S4: - S4 sleeve = 19" - 3" rib = 16" working = 96 rounds โ 24 dec events, every 4 rounds = 96 rounds โ So S4 sleeve length = 19" works perfectly. Similarly S5: 100 to 48 = 52 to dec = 26 events ร 4 rds = 104 rounds = 17.33" working length โ sleeve = 17.33 + 3 = 20.33" โ 20.5" Let me revise sleeve lengths: | Size | Sleeve top | Cuff sts | Dec events | Dec rounds needed | Working length | Rib | Total sleeve | |------|-----------|----------|-----------|-------------------|----------------|-----|--------------| | 1 | 80 | 40 | 20 | 80 | 13.33" | 3" | 16.33" โ 16.5" | | 2 | 84 | 44 | 20 | 80 | 13.33" | 3" | 16.33" โ 16.5" | | 3 | 88 | 44 | 22 | 88 | 14.67" | 3" | 17.67" โ 18" | | 4 | 96 | 48 | 24 | 96 | 16" | 3" | 19" | | 5 | 100 | 48 | 26 | 104 | 17.33" | 3" | 20.33" โ 20.5" | These sleeve lengths feel long (especially S4 at 19" and S5 at 20.5"), but given these are oversized sweaters with very dropped shoulders, longer sleeves help compensate for the dropped shoulder position. Actually it makes sense - if the shoulder seam is sitting 9-11" down the arm, the actual arm you're covering is SHORTER, so longer total sleeve length from that dropped shoulder is needed to cover the full arm. Actually let me think about this differently. Sleeve length is typically measured from the top of the SHOULDER SEAM, not from the underarm. For a dropped shoulder, the seam is well below the actual shoulder tip. Typical sleeve measurement: - For regular set-in sleeve: 23-24" from shoulder tip (includes over the shoulder bit) - For drop shoulder: measured from the shoulder SEAM which is already 3-4" down the arm, so the sleeve length needs to be similar or slightly shorter. Standard drop shoulder sleeve length (from shoulder seam down to cuff): 16-19" depending on how far down the seam falls. These numbers seem correct actually. Let me revise the instructions to note that sleeve length is from shoulder seam to desired cuff position, and knitters can adjust. Actually for the final pattern, I'll note: - Sleeve length given is from shoulder seam to cuff - Babaa No. 17 style: sleeves are long, often reaching past the wrist when the shoulder seam sits well below the shoulder tip Final sleeve lengths: - S1: 17" (from shoulder seam) - S2: 17" - S3: 18" - S4: 18" - S5: 19" But this creates the inconsistency I calculated above. Let me find a middle ground: What if I adjust the decrease rate slightly? For S1 and S2 (20 dec events): - If dec every 4 rds: 80 rds = 13.33" + work even a few rows to 14" (no big deal) - Sleeve = 17" total, working = 14", rib = 3" โ For S3 (22 dec events): - Dec every 4 rds: 88 rds = 14.67" + a bit even - Sleeve = 18" total, working = 15", after decs = 14.67", work 2 more rds โ For S4 (24 dec events): - If sleeve = 18": working = 15" = 90 rds, dec every 3.75 rds โ round to: - Dec every 4 rds for 18 events (72 rds), then every 3 rds for 6 events (18 rds) = 90 rds total โ - Simplify: "Dec every 4 rounds for 18 times, then every 3 rounds for 6 times (24 times total)" For S5 (26 dec events): - If sleeve = 18.5": working = 15.5" = 93 rds, 93/26 = 3.58 rds each โ round to: - Dec every 3 rds for 14 events (42 rds), then every 4 rds for 12 events (48 rds) = 90 rds... that's only 15". Hmm. - Or: dec every 4 rds for 6 events (24 rds), then every 3 rds for 20 events (60 rds) = 84 rds = 14"... - S5: keep sleeve at 19.5" total? Working = 16.5" = 99 rds. 99/26 = 3.81 โ dec every 4 rds: 26 ร 4 = 104 rds = 17.33" - too long still. - Dec every 3 rds for 18 events (54 rds) + every 4 rds for 8 events (32 rds) = 86 rds = 14.33". Sleeve = 17.33" - shorter than wanted. This is getting really complicated for a beginner pattern. Let me take a MUCH simpler approach and just tell knitters to decrease every X rounds (give a range), continue working even if needed to reach length, then work cuff. No need to over-specify. **SIMPLIFIED SLEEVE INSTRUCTIONS**: "Decrease round (Dec Rnd): K1, ssk, knit to 3 sts before marker, k2tog, k1. Work Dec Rnd every 4 rounds until [X] stitches remain, then work even if needed until sleeve measures [Y]" from pick-up edge. Work 3" of 2x2 rib. Bind off." This is clear and easy to follow. Any extra rows worked even just mean a very slightly longer sleeve, which is easily adjusted. Final sleeve parameters: | Size | Top sts | Dec every | Until | Cuff sts | Working length | Total | |------|---------|-----------|-------|----------|----------------|-------| | 1 | 80 | 4 rds | 40 sts | 40 | ~14" | 17" | | 2 | 84 | 4 rds | 44 sts | 44 | ~14" | 17" | | 3 | 88 | 4 rds | 44 sts | 44 | ~15" | 18" | | 4 | 96 | 4 rds | 48 sts | 48 | ~15.5" | 18.5" | | 5 | 100 | 4 rds | 48 sts | 48 | ~16.5" | 19.5" | Working lengths needed: - S1: 20 decs ร 4 rds = 80 rds = 13.33" โ work to 14", then cuff โ - S2: 20 decs ร 4 rds = 80 rds = 13.33" โ work to 14", then cuff โ - S3: 22 decs ร 4 rds = 88 rds = 14.67" โ work to 15", then cuff โ - S4: 24 decs ร 4 rds = 96 rds = 16" โ work to 15.5" ... but 16" > 15.5"! S4 problem again. OK for S4 let me adjust: "Decrease every 4 rounds for 20 times, then every 3 rounds for 4 times." (20 ร 4) + (4 ร 3) = 80 + 12 = 92 rounds = 15.33" โ work to 15.5" then cuff โ Total sleeve: 15.5 + 3 = 18.5" โ (still comfortable for larger sizes) S5: 26 decs ร 4 rds = 104 rds = 17.33". Work to 16.5"? That would mean we stop at 16.5" even though 17.33" rounds still needed. This doesn't work. Adjust S5 sleeve length to 20.5": working = 17.5" = 105 rds. 26 ร 4 = 104 rds = 17.33" โ close enough, work 1 more round even to 17.5", then cuff. Total = 17.5 + 3 = 20.5" โ Fine! OR: For S5, decrease every 4 rounds until 48 sts (26 times = 104 rounds = 17.33") then work 1 round even, then cuff. Total sleeve = 17.33 + 0.17 + 3 = 20.5". โ This is perfectly workable. For the pattern, I'll just say "work even until sleeve measures X inches from pickup, then work cuff" and all the exact round counts will naturally work out. FINAL APPROACH: Give total sleeve length from underarm pickup, tell them to decrease every 4 rounds (with modification for S4: mix of 4 and 3 round intervals), work even to length, then cuff. Final final sleeve lengths (total, from pickup): - S1: 17" - S2: 17" - S3: 18" - S4: 18.5" - S5: 20.5" For S4, this does come out slightly long. Let me rethink. Actually, for a very oversized sweater, these sleeve lengths are from a VERY dropped shoulder seam. The overall arm length from shoulder seam to wrist is approximately: - Typical upper arm to wrist = 22-24" (measured from actual shoulder tip) - If seam falls 4-5" below shoulder tip, then sleeve from seam = 22-5 = 17" to 24-5 = 19" So sleeves of 17-20.5" from a dropped shoulder seam are all reasonable for different arm lengths and different amounts of drape/fall. OK, I'll go with these numbers. They're all fine. NOW: For beginner simplicity, I'll merge S4 and S5 instructions to use the same decrease schedule (every 4 rounds) and just adjust the total length by working more/fewer even rounds at the end. For S4: 24 dec events ร 4 rds = 96 rds = 16" decrease section + 2.5" more even + 3" cuff = 21.5" - too long! Hmm wait. I've been confusing myself. Let me restart the sleeve length calculation fresh and cleanly: Sleeve total length = decrease section + even section + cuff - S4: sleeve total = 18.5" - Cuff: 3" - Decrease+even section: 18.5 - 3 = 15.5" = 93 rounds - With dec every 4 rds ร 24 events = 96 rounds needed... but we only have 93 rounds of decrease+even section. - SO: We need to decrease faster than every 4 rounds. - Dec every 3 rds ร 24 = 72 rds = 12" โ then 21 rounds even = 3.5" straight section โ total sleeve = 15.5" + 3" = 18.5" โ Ugh, every 3 rounds for 24 events seems odd for a worsted sweater (very close set decreases). For beginner simplicity, let me just choose sleeve lengths that work with "every 4 rounds" for all sizes: - S1: dec 20 times every 4 rds = 80 rds = 13.33". Total sleeve: 13.33 + some even + 3 cuff = 17" โ even section = 17 - 3 - 13.33 = 0.67" โ about 4 rounds even then cuff โ - S2: dec 20 times every 4 rds = 80 rds = 13.33". Total sleeve: 17" โ even = 0.67" โ 4 rds โ - S3: dec 22 times every 4 rds = 88 rds = 14.67". Total sleeve: 18" โ even = 18 - 3 - 14.67 = 0.33" โ 2 rds even โ - S4: dec 24 times every 4 rds = 96 rds = 16". Total sleeve: 16 + 3 = 19" โ total is 19". Fine! - S5: dec 26 times every 4 rds = 104 rds = 17.33". Total sleeve: 17.33 + 3 = 20.33" โ total is ~20.5". Fine! Revised total sleeve lengths: - S1: 17" - S2: 17" - S3: 18" - S4: 19" - S5: 20.5" These are all long sleeves appropriate for a very oversized drop-shoulder sweater. I'll use these. NOW: For consistency and simplicity in the written pattern, I'll say: "Decrease every 4 rounds [X] times, then work even until sleeve measures [Y] inches from pickup row, then work cuff." Final complete numbers: | Size | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | |------|---|---|---|---|---| | CO sts (body) | 98 | 106 | 114 | 122 | 134 | | Body width | 21.25" | 23.25" | 25" | 26.75" | 29.25" | | Finished bust | 42.5" | 46.5" | 50" | 53.5" | 58.5" | | Body length | 24" | 25" | 25" | 26" | 26" | | Armhole depth | 9" | 9.5" | 10" | 10.5" | 11" | | Neck width | 10.75" | 11.5" | 12.5" | 13.5" | 14.75" | | Each shoulder | 5.25" | 5.75" | 6.25" | 6.75" | 7.25" | | Sleeve top sts | 80 | 84 | 88 | 96 | 100 | | Sleeve top width
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